New York EPA tag

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:10 am

This one is for New Yorkers only,We need an EPA tag for the exhaust to be certified at 80 DB,that means no more aftermarket exhausts for us.First offense $1000. bucks second you loose your bike.I gues I have to get out of here or sell my aftermarket pipes.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:22 am

Mango, where did you see this? Nothing on N.Y.S.DMV or AMA website.

$1000 sounds like Federal noise or emission...any more info??

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:31 am

Check Daily News dec.11 edition and let me know what you think.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:43 am

Seems to be only NYC.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:46 am

I can understand that in the city.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:47 pm

I didn't find the article.This might be a New York City initiative where any non-stock system is assumed in violation. Policy like this allows a ticket with no sound reading and no subjective testimony required from the cop that writes it.

New York City also took an aggressive position on Motorcycles in HOV lanes that was outside Federal law on HOV lanes. Was featured in AMA newsletter where a woman challenged NYC on this and won. Don't know if the AMA will back a challenge on this.

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/2008/NYC.asp

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:49 pm

Even if only 5 boroughs what happen when you go from Long Island to Manhattan and you park you ride?The mayor wants to fill the budget gap with the sell of the bikes.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:23 pm

mango wrote:

Even if only 5 boroughs what happen when you go from Long Island to Manhattan and you park you ride?The mayor wants to fill the budget gap with the sell of the bikes.

Like anything else if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you could get it. Haven't heard anything else.

Highway Patrol writes tickets. If NYC Highway stops you for another offense you could wind up with an extra piled on. I would think that squids would be more vulnerable to that than middle aged guys.

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:02 pm

mango wrote:

Even if only 5 boroughs what happen when you go from Long Island to Manhattan and you park you ride?The mayor wants to fill the budget gap with the sell of the bikes.

It shouldn't stick. Just like if my bike meets my state's inspection requirements, but not another state's, they can't ticket you when you are in that other state.

I like the idea that pops up in the state Assembly from time to time of separating NY into two states. West NY will be anything north of Westchester county... Since most of my tax dollars head down to the city anyway...

Hawk Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Chino, CA

f4fast wrote:

Highway Patrol writes tickets. If NYC Highway stops you for another offense you could wind up with an extra piled on. I would think that squids would be more vulnerable to that than middle aged guys.

That's what we thought about the new Florida penalty enhancements for vertical tags.
Nope... the economy sucks and the public agencies are feeling the pinch. It's a revenue grab and I know of several cruiser guys who have been handed $1,000 tickets for vertical sidemount tags.
Everyone thought they would be fine because they are in plain view and not tucked up behind the tire like the squids do to hide them.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:59 am

Outbackjon wrote:

I like the idea that pops up in the state Assembly from time to time of separating NY into two states. West NY will be anything north of Westchester county... Since most of my tax dollars head down to the city anyway...

that is a nice idea but not true. We carry you. NYC and Long Island carries the rest of the state. Sort of an affirmative action deal.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:18 am

RichLockyer wrote:

f4fast wrote:

Highway Patrol writes tickets. If NYC Highway stops you for another offense you could wind up with an extra piled on. I would think that squids would be more vulnerable to that than middle aged guys.

That's what we thought about the new Florida penalty enhancements for vertical tags.
Nope... the economy sucks and the public agencies are feeling the pinch. It's a revenue grab and I know of several cruiser guys who have been handed $1,000 tickets for vertical sidemount tags.
Everyone thought they would be fine because they are in plain view and not tucked up behind the tire like the squids do to hide them.

That is certainly excessive amount of money for an equipment violation. Almost Criminal...too bad.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:39 am

I am sorry if I am speaking out of turn but...

I am completely frustrated with similar scenarios on both sides of our great continent.

Starting to sound a lot like "taxation without representation" again.

Am I wrong?

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:43 am

f4fast wrote:

that is a nice idea but not true. We carry you. NYC and Long Island carries the rest of the state. Sort of an affirmative action deal.

Well I am pretty sure NYC gets a significant amount of state money for its infrastructure, the crime, emergency services, welfare, etc. And like it or not NYC is part of New York state so you are all there to carry each other. I have talked to a number of New Yorkers from NYC who seem to think that they are New York state Rolling Eyes

Is that quite common F4FAST, or just the few I have met?

Hawk Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Chino, CA

f4fast wrote:

RichLockyer wrote:

f4fast wrote:

Highway Patrol writes tickets. If NYC Highway stops you for another offense you could wind up with an extra piled on. I would think that squids would be more vulnerable to that than middle aged guys.

That's what we thought about the new Florida penalty enhancements for vertical tags.
Nope... the economy sucks and the public agencies are feeling the pinch. It's a revenue grab and I know of several cruiser guys who have been handed $1,000 tickets for vertical sidemount tags.
Everyone thought they would be fine because they are in plain view and not tucked up behind the tire like the squids do to hide them.

That is certainly excessive amount of money for an equipment violation. Almost Criminal...too bad.

It's rooted in the squids running from cops.
Squid hides his plate and runs, cop can't do anything if he sees the same bike later because he can't prove it was the same bike that he chased down.
Now, whether he has the right bike or not, the squid gets a $1000 ticket.

The penalties get even worse.
Yes... third offense is a FELONY!

Quote:

316.2085(2) Motorcycle or moped, wheels losing contact with ground
This is classified as a moving violation.
First Offense: the violator must pay $1,000 plus any other costs assessed for a moving violation.
Second Offense: the violator must pay a fine of $2,500, plus any other applicable costs assessed for a moving violation. The person’s driver license must be revoked for a period of one year.
Third Offense: the violator will be charged with a third degree felony, punishable as provided in ss. 775.082, 775.083, and 775.084, a mandatory fine of $5,000, and the driver license must be revoked for a period of ten years.
(new entries for Distribution Chart—see below)

316.2085(3) Motorcycle or moped license tag improperly affixed
This is classified as a moving violation.
First Offense: the violator must pay $1,000 plus any other costs assessed for a moving violation.
Second Offense: the violator must pay a fine of $2,500, plus any other applicable costs assessed for a moving violation. The person’s driver license must be revoked for a period of one year.
Third Offense: the violator will be charged with a third degree felony, punishable as provided in ss. 775.082, 775.083, and 775.084, a mandatory fine of $5,000, and the driver license must be revoked for a period of ten years.
(new entries for Distribution Chart—see below)

316.1926 (2) A person who exceeds the speed limit in excess of 50 mph or more in violation of ss.
316.183(2) (posted speeds), 316.187(state speed zones), or 316.189 (municipal and county speeds)
This is classified as a moving violation.
First Offense: the violator must pay a fine of $1,000 plus court costs.
Second Offense: the violator must pay a fine of $2,500 plus court costs and the driver license must be revoked for a period of one year.
Third Offense: the violator will be charged with a third degree felony, punishable as provided in ss. 775.082, 775.083, and 775.084, a mandatory fine of $5,000, and the driver license must be revoked for a period of ten years.

Hawk Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Chino, CA

calgaryss wrote:

Starting to sound a lot like "taxation without representation" again.

Am I wrong?

It's a little bit of both.... 40% of American workers pay no taxes.

So we have supposedly equal representation with unequal (or no) taxation.

So those of us who pay taxes get fucked in the ass because of the voting choices and lifestyles of those who pay no or little taxes.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:52 am

calgaryss wrote:

I am sorry if I am speaking out of turn but...

I am completely frustrated with similar scenarios on both sides of our great continent.

Starting to sound a lot like "taxation without representation" again.

Am I wrong?

When you change your pipe you are theoretically "tampering with federal emissions standards" . As silly as that is when you recognize it is a 25 yr old bike with limited replacement options. That is how an equipment fine hits $1000 there. Violating federal emissions laws sounds insidious like you kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

The plate deal is done to punish squids who do tricks on the street and obscure thier plate by tucking it in to the rear wheel. That means you run, you get away unidentified, So......You have it standing still, you are planning to run and get away,hence the big fine.

Areas in Fla that have large Cruiser events (Harley) , May have other problems with the bikers and seek to disperse the undesirables with drastic penalties to break balls. Yes it pays state bills too.

Just my opinion........

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:17 am

RichLockyer wrote:

calgaryss wrote:

Starting to sound a lot like "taxation without representation" again.

Am I wrong?

It's a little bit of both.... 40% of American workers pay no taxes.

So we have supposedly equal representation with unequal (or no) taxation.

So those of us who pay taxes get fucked in the ass because of the voting choices and lifestyles of those who pay no or little taxes.

I don't think it is possible for anyone (without an accountant) to pay no tax. Sales tax, fuel tax ,telephone tax , electric tax, etc. we all pay.

The people who complain to authorities about bikers are your peers who are taxpayers, don't ride,and don't like the large events. Your rant is way off base.
Poor people have no juice to get things done in Government.

Hawk Joined: Oct 07, 2008 Posts: 463 Location: Chino, CA

f4fast wrote:

Poor people have no juice to get things done in Government.

Bullshit.

They have votes to offer.

What's a vote worth?

In the 2008 races, over 1.3 billion was spent on 130 million votes. 80 million of those votes would not have changed regardless of how much or little was spent.
10 million would not have turned out had the Democrat not been so charismatic (compared to 2004 voter turnout).

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:02 pm

The Kerker KR on my ELR IS the stock pipe. And I have the brochure to prove it.